Hashimoto's answer: deep LR dips pay big briefly, then converge

tatsu_hashimoto · x · 2026-11-05

Answering his own CS312 quiz, Tatsunori Hashimoto reveals option B wins: the bigger LR drop gives a large temporary win, but both schedules quickly return to the same loss curve — slightly worse than baseline.

Data across two seeds: the deep dip (0.1x) reaches -0.117/-0.119 validation loss vs baseline during the dip, versus -0.070/-0.071 for the shallow dip; yet post-rewarm overshoots are remarkably similar: +0.0103/+0.0092 vs +0.0115/+0.0120.

The explanation is 'river valley' dynamics common in LLM training: lower LR lets the model descend the valley walls for a bigger temporary improvement, but once LR is raised back, the trajectory oscillates back up the sides — the gains wash out. The river-valley mental model predicts these outcomes.

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