Muon vs Shampoo optimizer debate reignites in AI community

Researcher Arohan kicked off a fresh Muon vs Shampoo optimizer debate; xidulu argued Muon is easier to implement with fewer hyperparameters, while Shampoo has higher potential.

2026-11-13 ~ 2026-11-13 · 2 related posts

• Muon vs Shampoo optimizer debate reignites as researcher calls for spicy takes — _arohan_ · 2026-11-13
• Muon vs Shampoo: easier to implement with fewer hyperparameters, but lower ceiling — _arohan_ · 2026-11-13