Why wasn't Muon tried earlier? Yaroslav Bulatov on optimizer preconditioning mindsets

_arohan_ · x · 2026-11-13

Replying to arohan, Yaroslav Bulatov explains why he thinks Muon wasn't tried earlier: it doesn't fit the traditional preconditioning mindset. Using statistics computed on the same batch to precondition the current gradient seems intuitively wrong, so researchers likely assumed those statistics would be bad. A useful lens on what makes Muon unconventional.

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