MoE beats dense in matched OOD finetune: DeepSeek V3.1 hits 0.804 CE vs Llama 405B

kalomaze · x · 2026-11-05

kalomaze ran an out-of-distribution finetuning experiment — a highly structured spatial symbolic language task with audio conditioning — comparing a big MoE against dense backbones under matched conditions: same custom tokenizer (making cross-entropy directly comparable), same data, batch size, LR, and LoRA rank 16.

Results: DeepSeek V3.1 achieved the best Eval CE at 0.80396, beating Llama 405B (0.81760), Llama 70B (0.84229), and Llama 8B (0.85536), with all runs using roughly 228M total tokens and 91M supervised tokens. His takeaway: retraining on a larger backbone can be quite fruitful.

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