Transformer pretraining without backprop drops from 1.76 hours to 1.6 seconds in 10 days

mayfer · x · 2026-10-23

A viral optimization thread claims the past month may be the biggest in zeroth-order optimization history: since the Noise speedrun released, transformer pretraining time fell from 1.76 hours to 1.6 seconds (4,000x), and the Dust method was up to 10,000x more compute-efficient than prior SOTA. This shows transformers can be pretrained without backprop — and far more efficiently than expected. Scaling is the big open question: some tricks won't scale, so the team will grow the dataset (from 10M to 30M tokens and beyond) whenever it overfits to discard them.

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