Twitter debate: per-token noise training exploits transformer parallel passes, still ~10^4 per update

willcb · x · 2026-10-20

willcb and @9thdev debate a per-token noise perturbation training method on X. @9thdev argues that although per-token noise trades parameter count for layer width and beats weight-space ES by orders of magnitude, the paper's setup still runs 10^4 forward passes per update versus backprop's 3, and the SNR math doesn't change.

willcb counters that it doesn't rely on unique forward passes: it leverages that transformers already compute passes in parallel across many tokens, computing the error term once per token and storing it as a hidden-state perturbation. He adds the approach wouldn't work for FFNs — it merely hides the SNR term in sequence models via a new aggregation axis.

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