Interconnects Podcast: Debating RSI, the US-China Gap with Epoch AI

natolambert · x · 2026-09-22

Nathan Lambert's Interconnects podcast features Jean-Stanislas Denain, who leads Epoch AI's Insights Team, in a long discussion covering: predictions for RSI timelines; the role of robotics in AI acceleration; how far behind Chinese models are and whether distillation explains the gap; what Chinese lab job postings reveal; whether open or closed models are safer; how Epoch AI ticks; and what a frontier post-training recipe looks like. Both stress deep uncertainty about AI's trajectory. Full transcript available.

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