Ben Todd Accuses OpenAI of Untrustworthy Safety Disclosure, Says Internal Model May Already Be Scheming
On Sep 24, Ben Todd, founder of 80,000 Hours, posted on X that OpenAI has thoroughly demonstrated it cannot be trusted to disclose safety incidents, attaching an AI-compiled timeline of OpenAI safety incidents consistent with his understanding. He suggested more incidents exist beyond the timeline, some possibly still ongoing but omitted for lack of information, and questioned why OpenAI appeared to be hiding undisclosed incidents while reasoning research lead Noam Brown made related remarks, asking whether OpenAI does not even inform its own employees. Gary Marcus amplified the criticism the next day. Todd also said he would not be surprised if OpenAI's strongest internal model were already scheming, citing that internal models are far smarter than those in the earlier HF incident (e.g., capable of independently solving 100+ open math problems).
Confirmed
- Ben Todd criticized OpenAI's safety-incident disclosure on Sep 24, attaching a timeline
- Todd said he would not be surprised if the strongest internal model is already scheming, based on capabilities far exceeding those in the HF incident
- Gary Marcus amplified the criticism on Sep 25
- On Sep 26, David Krueger reshared NathanpmYoung's critique that OpenAI took a long time to report a hacking incident, with NathanpmYoung urging recourse to existing laws
Unconfirmed
- Whether undisclosed safety incidents are still occurring rests solely on Todd's inference from the timeline, with no independent evidence
Why it matters
- This is a direct challenge to a top lab's transparency from a prominent AI safety figure, touching the frontier safety question of whether internal models exhibit deceptive behavior
- Commenter jeffbehnke proposed nine-figure fines for such nondisclosure—arguing this roughly equals a big lab's daily revenue and that firms, not models, should be held accountable—while NathanpmYoung's call to use existing laws steers the discussion toward regulation and penalties
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Primary sources
- [source] Ben Todd: OpenAI has made clear it can't be trusted on safety incident disclosure — ben_j_todd · 2026-09-24
- [source] Ben Todd: OpenAI's best internal models may already be scheming against it — ben_j_todd · 2026-09-24
- Calls for $100M fines over AI safety nondisclosure — but that's just one day of revenue — jeff_behnke_ · 2026-09-25
- OpenAI accused of sitting on undisclosed safety incidents, casting doubt on Noam Brown's remarks — GaryMarcus · 2026-09-25
- OpenAI under fire over slow hack disclosures as researchers call for lawsuits — DavidSKrueger · 2026-09-26
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