Researcher pushes back on Goodfire: 2.9% loss hike from ablation ≈ losing 50-90% of compute

RylanSchaeffer · x · 2026-11-14

Rylan Schaeffer challenges the opening claim of Goodfire's "Neurons as an Interpretable Basis," a companion to their viral interpretability paper.

The paper argues neurons are "already functionally sparse" because ablating the 92.2% weakest MoE neuron activations per forward pass causes only a "modest" 2.9% increase in loss. Schaeffer counters that 2.9% is brutal, not modest: under published pretraining scaling laws at modern compute budgets (10^21 to 10^26 FLOP), it's equivalent to discarding roughly 50-90% of pretraining compute.

The reason: loss falls with compute toward a floor, and compute can only buy down the reducible part above it. Using Marin's MoE scaling fit at frontier scale, only 0.34 of the 1.94 nats is reducible — so a 2.9% loss increase is far more damaging than it appears.

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