Debate: did Chinese labs already pretrain on small Blackwell clusters?

stochasticchasm · x · 2026-11-13

A speculative thread on whether Chinese labs trained recent models on Blackwell. teortaxesTex claims their releases made it obvious; stochasticchasm pushes back, arguing V4 and MiniMax M3 could train on Hoppers, stock could fill gaps, and only Kimi shows clearer signs — and even that is rumor-based. Others note the open infra and kernels these labs shared were clearly written for Blackwell, but the author counters that points more to inference than pretraining.

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