4,000+ Models Show Muon's Speedup Shrinks to 10% at 1.2B Scale Over AdamW

_arohan_ · x · 2026-11-13

A new paper, 'Fantastic Pretraining Optimizers and Where to Find Them,' trains over 4,000 models to find the fastest pretraining optimizer. Key finding: claimed 2× speedups over AdamW are unlikely — beware under-tuned baselines and limited scale. Muon, for instance, delivers 40% speedup below 0.5B but only 10% at 1.2B (8× Chinchilla-optimal). Commenters conclude there's essentially no alpha left among optimizers.

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