Muon shown to be a special case of Shampoo optimizer

_arohan_ · x · 2026-11-13

Optimizer researcher Inderjit congratulates John Langford and the CoreAI team, confirming that Muon is a special case of Shampoo. Arohan amplified the finding, noting Dimuon and Distributed Shampoo "game recognizes game" — theoretically connecting the trendy Muon optimizer used in LLM training to the classical second-order Shampoo method.

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