Router optimizer split: DeepSeek keeps Muon while Qwen switched to AdamW after instability

Nouamanetazi · x · 2026-11-06

The MoE handbook compares router optimizer choices: DeepSeek-V4 updates the router with Muon like the rest of the model, while Qwen3.8-Next moved it to AdamW after Muon destabilized the router early in training. With per-expert Muon, a rarely picked expert moves about as far as the busiest one (0.61 under AdamW at 16 tokens).

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