DeepSeek-V4 switches router scoring to sqrt(softplus); MoE scaling factors diverge

Nouamanetazi · x · 2026-11-06

How should router scores become weights? DeepSeek-V4 switched from sigmoid to sqrt(softplus). On the routed scaling factor the newest MoEs split: GLM-5.3 and Step 5 Preview stay near √k, while Kimi K3 ships 1.0 at k=16 and normalizes the routed sum before its up-projection. Practical tip: bf16 can round two close logits together and flip which experts win, so always set --moe-router-dtype fp32. The figure compares four normalization schemes, showing only √k keeps output RMS near a single expert's on every token.

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