Muon beats AdamW in pretraining loss, but AdamW wins after finetuning at scale

AdtRaghunathan · x · 2026-11-04

A joint optimization-and-data study finds Muon achieves lower pretraining loss than AdamW, yet whether its advantage survives finetuning depends on pretraining data scale: beyond a sufficiently large data budget, AdamW outperforms Muon after finetuning.

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