One-figure paper: the best optimizer depends on batch size, SOAP and Shampoo swap ranks

ricklamers · x · 2026-10-28

ricklamers highlights the key figure of arXiv paper abs/2610.08975: on the Modded-NanoGPT benchmark with a fixed 1.7B-token budget and per-batch-size tuned optimizers, validation loss shows "the best optimizer depends on batch size." SOAP wins from 128K to 1M (by up to 0.012 nats) but drops to third at 2M, 0.021 nats behind Shampoo; Muon and Shampoo also cross over (Muon ahead by 0.0035 at 512K, Shampoo by 0.0037 at 2M). Directly relevant to LLM pretraining tuning.

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