Entropy Collapse May Not Need SFT Reinsertion; Souping in Pretraining Works Surprisingly Well

ar0cket1 · x · 2026-10-07

@ar0cket1 argues that if entropy collapse itself were fixed (sharing an entropy curve plot), the SFT reinsertion might be unnecessary; he's surprised how well souping in pretraining worked, but thinks the critic seemed unnecessary and probably didn't help.

A companion take on the same training postmortem: diagnose entropy collapse first before adding recipe complexity.

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