Google researcher Lampinen pens long thread rebutting the stochastic parrots argument on LLM meaning
AndrewLampinen · x · 2026-09-27
Google DeepMind researcher Andrew Lampinen published a long thread systematically rebutting the core technical claim from the stochastic parrots paper (Bender & Koller): that systems trained on language alone can only learn form, not meaning.
Key points:
- The generalizations that LMs trained from scratch in controlled settings exhibit — without tools or harnesses — already disprove the a priori impossibility argument; tool calls are just tokens like any other language, so "harnesses magically providing meaning" doesn't hold.
- He argues claims that meaning can't be learned from language "prove too much," and discusses the memorization–generalization relationship in LMs and other ML systems.
- He cites his own work on whether LMs can learn causal structure and reasoning from passive offline training, unpacking two conflated dimensions behind the term "passive."
His core frustration: the paper's authors never define terms, make falsifiable claims, or engage with contradicting empirical evidence — "it's fine to make a poor argument with flashy rhetoric, but you should update as evidence changes. And the authors clearly don't."
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