Self-play pretraining with zero data: LMs learn to generate all their own training data

inductionheads · x · 2026-09-26

Stanford's Noah Goodman group introduces Self-Play Pretraining with Zero Data: two models start from random init — a generator proposes programs for a universal Turing machine, a learner trains on its outputs, with no real data at all. Zero-shot val loss on images, text, audio and melodies falls predictably with self-play compute, and the learner develops in-context learning. Goodman adds a philosophy angle: distinguishing universal from contingent facts lets models self-generate universal facts for pretraining.

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