Leaked Alibaba roadmap: Qwen 5 to scale to 5-10 trillion parameters
burny_tech · x · 2026-09-23
An alleged Alibaba AI roadmap claims Qwen 4 is in training, with Qwen 4.5 and Qwen 5 scaling to 5-10 trillion parameters — a 2-4x jump from today's 2.4T Qwen 3.8.
Other highlights:
- Alibaba Cloud targets 20+ GW of data center capacity by 2032
- Qwen 3.8 Max reportedly ran 33 recursive self-improvement cycles in a month of fully automated runs covering pipeline design, data validation, experimentation, and error diagnosis
- A new training/inference chip claims 3x the performance of the May version, plus next-gen CPUs built for agentic workloads
- Chairman Joe Tsai says machine thinking is under 3% of all human thinking, with no methodology given
Note: unverified roadmap — treat details as unconfirmed until official announcement.
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