Dwarkesh talks RL, automated AI researchers and AGI timelines with Schulman and Millidge
SonglinYang4 · x · 2026-09-12
Dwarkesh Patel releases a new podcast episode with John Schulman, Miles O'Neill and Beren Millidge, three insightful researchers at "openish" companies, on what's actually happening at the frontier:
- Steelmanning the case against recursive self-improvement
- What's driving Chinese labs' progress
- How automated AI researchers will be trained
- Whether long-horizon RL can elicit AGI
- Sim-to-real gap, how much progress data explains, and why RL works so well
- Move 37 and entropy collapse
- Rapid-fire AGI timelines
Beren Millidge's companion blog post is recommended as an intuitive deep dive.
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