Dwarkesh podcast: Schulman, O'Neill & Millidge on RSI, long-horizon RL and AGI timelines

saranormous · x · 2026-09-12

Dwarkesh Patel releases a new episode with John Schulman, Cassandra O'Neill and Beren Millidge, researchers at 'openish' frontier companies, on what's actually happening at the frontier. Topics include: steelmanning the case against RSI, what's driving Chinese labs' progress, how automated AI researchers will be trained, whether long-horizon RL elicits AGI, the sim-to-real gap, how much progress data explains, why RL works so well, Move 37 and entropy collapse, plus rapid-fire AGI timelines.

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