Low-quality data may force models to build extra machinery, capping pretraining quality

davidmanheim · x · 2026-09-09

In a discussion with Toby Ord and Dwarkesh Patel, David Manheim argues that during pretraining, including low-quality data forces the model to construct additional complex internal machinery beyond correct capabilities — implying an effective upper limit on data quality tradeoffs. Toby Ord responds that breaking out "gains from data filtering" as a distinct category is a useful addition to his mental model.

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