Raemon defends CEV: objections were identified and answered ~20 years ago, critics engage on vibes

Raemon777 · x · 2026-09-09

Responding to xuenay's objection that CEV is an untested concept we'd nevertheless hand the entire lightcone to, Raemon777 argues the common objections to CEV were identified and addressed 20 years ago in the original 2004 paper and later Arbital writeups.

His stronger claim: Eliezer thought through the constraints and ways you might leverage superintelligence, and everything kept pointing back to CEV. He admits his recent Twitter binge is frustration at people reacting to CEV on a vibes level without engaging the details or proposing alternatives that hold up when fleshed out.

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